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those guys were hard to listen to.
the only reason they are getting that caked up wax is because he is telling you to leave it in the vac for a few hours.
well if you do that, your heat source will be well cooled off, your oil will be expanding because you didnt get all the tane out in the first place, and the oil will cool off as an expanded wax/honeycomb
i wouldnt smoke either section of that nasty looking oil until it was reheated and vacced to a consistent texture
i have been creating a new theory, that holds true with some of my friends
whenever i dab out certain peeps with my sap, they choke the fuck up and usually respond "dude so much tane ouch!!! tastes like gas!!!"
these people are usually vaping flavor/terp-less wax. i think the shock of terps is enough to convince them that there is something "extra" in the oil, and their stupidity leads them to believe it is butane
the same logic then follows to when they smoke bummy flavorless wax, they dont taste a damn thing so "it must be pure!!!!"
Last edited by hashcat; 10-31-2012 at 01:56 PM.
well, i hate to defend those guys/that vid, but honesty and accuracy is the goal.
But regardless they have "everything" to gain by misleading themselves. Budder is easier to create, so people find excuses as to why it's "better" than sap or shatter, so they can feel cool/safe. I got into an argument with a guy who said that sap was sap because there was still liquid butane trapped in it, and that he had to whip it out, and that since budder forms when he's whipping, its more pure. It's painful (wrong) logic to deal with.
There are countless threads on here explaining why budder sucks, why budder in almost every case has butane trapped inside, and why sap and shatter are preferable.
Budder = bho with much more surface are exposed. This is a result of one or more of the following;
1. Improper temperature
a) Too high - Terpenes bubble out at a fast enough rate to whip air into the bho. This is the least common of budders if you are not using a vac (there's been some recent evidence that this may contribute to Vac-Budder).
b) Too low - Butane bubbles out really crappily/slowly, leaving gaps of air, moisture, and remaining butane behind which emulsifies the remaining BHO into the budder/wax/grease that is most commonly seen.
2.) It was whipped. This simultaneously traps remaining butane by increasing the surface area which increases the viscosity of the BHO, making it much more difficult for butane to escape, while also simultaneously whipping air into the oil.
Notice in all of these scenarios that budder is the result of something going wrong with the purging process. I sincerely do not understand the logic where someone sees glorious sap sitting on their pyrex and thinks it needs to be changed to a crumbly pile of crap.
i agree with you that budder doesnt look as good. but just because there are countless threads, etc. doesnt really mean much.
you say its easier to make budder than shatter. i disagree. budder actually takes more time in the chamber and is another step. whipping is not up for debate as far as i am concerned. that is just foolish to me. the budder i refer to is made by going past the shatter stage. if the downsides are more rapid degradation, ugly looks, and harder to work with, then its just preference with a lack of sophistication imho. for the record, i prefer sappy shatter. but, i have had budder that was damn good too.
i dabbed mid-type and totally lost my train of thought, but thats what i had before the oil took me over lol.
Last edited by hazelnut; 10-31-2012 at 07:50 PM. Reason: high ass typos - passed/past
Using a vac to make budder is a waste of time and pointless IMO. You get the exact same result by just whipping. As far as I'm concerned, and this is just my own opinion, if I end up with budder, it means I fucked up my run somewhere and it really pisses me off when that happens. Thankfully it barely happens.
I'm sure you've had good budder, I have too, but it's a fact that sap or shatter made from the same product would have been even better.
And yes, it does matter that there are countless threads decrying budder on one of the best collections of hash oil information on the web.
I dont know how else to explain this bud. The amount of surface area exposed in say a gram of budder compared to a gram of sap is going to be significantly higher. As a result, budder tends to degrade at much faster rate, both in taste and potency. Budder often smells much stronger than sap/shatter as a result, but this is due to the volatile terpene and flavinoids being released rather than contained.
Budder is unstable, Sap and Shatter are stable.